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History of violence

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Got this for a friend for Xmas (she's into history and gangs + she lives near Manchester). She loves the book and thinks that the history that it covers is indepth and well written. The only problem she has with it is that pages repeat them selfs over and over. I dont mean going over the same things again. I mean the exact same pages are in there. So she reads 6 or so pages and then has to sikp the same 6 pages to carry on with the storie. I dont know if i was just unlucky and got a messed up copy and she can live with it So overall its a winner. Word of Warning: Flip through the book just to check.

Crime and Punishment

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Gangs with knives, the occasional firearm, judges too soft, sentences too lenient and innocent bystanders maimed, injured and murdered. Not the gang culture of the early 21st century but the reality of Manchester in the late nineteenth century where stonings and stabbings (even of policemen)were far too common and prison kept the riff raff off the streets until they served their two, four or six month sentences to return to their violent pastime of "scuttling". The problems faced then remain unchanged now, youngsters with too much time on their hands, the practice of obscene communications (long before Channel 4!) undermining social respect, teenagers (girls as well as boys) being involved in what they perceived as peer approved behaviour and, above all, the ready availability of alcohol in the days before the introduction of limited hours. If ever proof of "four generations and back to clogs" were needed, 24 hour licensing provided it. Although there were some racial and religious elements involved, the gangs were (as today) largely territorially based. Many of those in their early teens claimed to be adults in order to avoid a five year sentence to the Reformatory School, where discipline was strict, rather than the inside of Strangeways where the maximum sentence for assault by an adult was likely to be six months or less. Underpinning it all lay the English tradition of fighting for the sake of it (the beer merely increased the incidence). For many living in the city which coined the term "Acid Rain" as early in 1872, it was the only energetic outlet of drab lives and much of it was mischievous rather than criminal in intent. The introduction of alternative forms of recreation such as Lads' clubs and the Boys' Brigade played a part in changing attitudes and activities. Ultimately it was discipline (either in the form of military service or, in many cases, marriage) which saw young men drained of their capacity for violence and finally settle down. There was a large degree of self interest against change. Rather like the saloon keeper in High Noon, publicans were less interested in keeping law and order as keeping their customers (however bawdy) happily supplied with alcoholic beverages. What is perhaps surprising is that ideas of how to punish offenders were as diverse as now. Not all judges considered jail as the first option, many recognised the need for social reform and the introduction of social and legal structures which could be respected by all sectors of society. Andrew Davies has written a first rate history of late nineteenth Manchester and Salford, evoking a culture which was still prevalent in the early 1950's in the schoolyard and society as a whole. What's more he has made it readable and lively while maintaining the highest level of scholarship. Well worth buying. Indeed, a bargain.

Scuttling first

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Manchester - A Football HistoryManchester the Greatest City: Complete History of Manchester City Football Club This is an absolutely absorbing and interesting book on a fascinating part of Mancunian life. If your parents, grandparents, great-grandparents go on about the youth of today show them this. I do think there is one surprising omission. The book talks about the way sport and so on was used (Lads Clubs and the like) to try to break the influence of the scuttlers but there's no mention on the formation of Manchester City FC. That club was basically formed because of the very problem the Scuttlers and the other negative influences of the day (drink, domestic violence, etc.) presented ordinary Gortonians in east Manchester. Much is said in the book about Gorton scuttlers but I know that at least two books by Gary James talk of the Scuttling situation in the Gorton area of Manchester and its influence on the creation of a football team by members of the local church (most notably Anna Connell and warden William Beastow). Manchester The Greatest City was the first book I read that mentioned scuttling (1997) and Manchester A Football History goes into more detail showing that the ages of the football club's first ever team were exactly the type of people where scuttling was their main activity. Hopefully, future editions will correct this omission, if not check out Chapter 4 in Manchester A Football History, or chapter one in Manchester The Greatest City. Still an excellent book though!

History that reads like a novel.

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This book is a fascinating read, and one in the eye for anyone who talks of "the good old days" as if there was no crime. There was, and amongst appalling living conditions. The life of the working class of the late 19th Century in inner city Manchester and Salford is told with the flair of a novel writer, but with the accuracy and attention to detail of the accomplished historian that the author is. The Scuttlers were gangs of young lads who were fiercely loyal to their districts and fought all comers who trespassed without their say so. The Bengal Tigers are my favourites, purely down to the name, and there not being a Moston crew. The tales of the fights are truly hair raising, with stabbings and beatings a daily occurrence and even shootings seemingly not uncommon. Anyone with an interest in social history, the police and the judiciary at the turn of the century, or just anyone who likes reading about a good old fight will love this!

Mancunian history brought to life!

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Whether or not you're a Mancunian, this books makes facinating reading. The book brings home to life the harsh existance and lack of opportunties for the working classes in the hey day of Industrial Manchester and Salford, that led to the rise of the Scuttlers. As a Salford resident, I learnt a lot about the area in which I live that I simply wasn't aware off. The people and places (many of which I know) are brought vividly to life - I've already had quite a few conversations in the local pub about the events portrayed and the people involved. Now that I've read the book, I would love a follow up on what happened to the Scuttlers in later life and wouldn't it be good to meet the modern day descendants of the "King" of the Scuttlers and get their view on their infamous ancestors.